Former Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Donna Brazile found herself at the center of a firestorm when stories circulated that she had seriously considered replacing Hillary Clinton with Vice President Joe Biden as the Democratic Party's standard bearer in the 2016 election:
- I don't know how these rumors get started, but that thought never entered my mind. My plan was for Joe Biden to replace Bill Clinton.
- Wife-swapping?
- No, that would be sexist. I prefer "spouse-swapping."
- Really? Could you get way with that?
- Hey, remember who the Republicans nominated? I think we could have gotten away with it.
- But why?
- After that tape came out with Trump bragging about -- well, you know -- we saw that we weren't getting as big a jump with women as we expected. Whenever we would bring it up, Trump would bring up Bill Clinton. Look, I love Bill Clinton, but he was becoming an albatross. But Joe Biden? Women loved him.
- So how far did this go?
- Not very far. I sat down with the Clintons to sound them out.
- And?
- President Clinton got out his phone and started to dial when Ambassador Clinton said, "Bill, we're not doing this!" I thought I noticed a grimace, but then he just smiled and said, "Of course not, pumpkin, you're my girl. Yup, you're my girl." Then he accidentally dropped and smashed his phone.
- Did the Bidens ever catch wind of this?
- I never mentioned it to them, but they might have heard rumors. The next time I saw them I walked over to say hello but Mrs. Biden summoned her Secret Service detail and had me escorted out.
- I don't know how these rumors get started, but that thought never entered my mind. My plan was for Joe Biden to replace Bill Clinton.
- Wife-swapping?
- No, that would be sexist. I prefer "spouse-swapping."
- Really? Could you get way with that?
- Hey, remember who the Republicans nominated? I think we could have gotten away with it.
- But why?
- After that tape came out with Trump bragging about -- well, you know -- we saw that we weren't getting as big a jump with women as we expected. Whenever we would bring it up, Trump would bring up Bill Clinton. Look, I love Bill Clinton, but he was becoming an albatross. But Joe Biden? Women loved him.
- So how far did this go?
- Not very far. I sat down with the Clintons to sound them out.
- And?
- President Clinton got out his phone and started to dial when Ambassador Clinton said, "Bill, we're not doing this!" I thought I noticed a grimace, but then he just smiled and said, "Of course not, pumpkin, you're my girl. Yup, you're my girl." Then he accidentally dropped and smashed his phone.
- Did the Bidens ever catch wind of this?
- I never mentioned it to them, but they might have heard rumors. The next time I saw them I walked over to say hello but Mrs. Biden summoned her Secret Service detail and had me escorted out.
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